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June 9, 2021 Governing Board...
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Good afternoon. Welcome to the Wednesday,
June 9, 2021 Pima Community College Governing Board meeting.
The first item on our agenda is the public hearing and special
meeting. The first thing I'm going to do is call to order the
convening of the public hearing.
In keeping with the notice given to the general public, we are
calling to order the public hearing on the proposed budget for fiscal
year 2021 to 2022. At last month's meeting of the Governing Board, a
comprehensive review of the proposed fiscal year 2021 to 2022 budget
was presented by Dr. Bea. Following discussion, the board directed
that the proposed fiscal year 2021/2022 budget be formally presented
for consideration by the residents and taxpayers of the college
district.
This has now been accomplished in accordance with state law by
publishing the proposed budget and notice of this evening's public
hearing in the Arizona Daily Star on May 24 and May 30, 2021.
The board would like to ask the administration to give a brief
overview of the budget prior to responding to any questions from the
public.
Chancellor Lambert?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes. Good evening, everybody, Mr. Chair.
I'm glad to have Dr. David Bea just do a brief summary of the
proposed budget. Dave?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Chairperson Clinco, members of the board,
Chancellor Lambert, colleagues and guests. Good evening, and welcome
to any guests who may be joining us tonight.
It is my pleasure to present to you all the proposed budget and
tax information for fiscal year 2022. That's the year that starts in
July.
As you all know, this is the culmination of a series of board
study sessions, board action items, discussions with the college and
the community that occur beginning in the fall and then in earnest
all during the spring semester.
I am pleased to report that this budget reflects the increased
expenditure limitation, and --
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I'm sorry to interrupt. There is sort of
a reverberated echo. If there's any way you could talk just a little
clearer into the microphone so we could hear you a little clearer.
Thank you.
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Is that better?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: It may be the sound system here. I think
it's a little bit better. Thank you.
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Okay. I will do my best.
I'm pleased to report that the budget that we're going to be
presenting tonight reflects the increased expenditure limitation as
passed by the voters last November through Proposition 481, and
consistent with that, the budget does not include a tax levy
increase.
I will start tonight, I will do a very quick overview of the tax
levy information, and then I'll pause if there are any board
questions about taxes, and then I'll move into a quick summary of the
budget and then leave some time and questions for that.
This is a very quick overview and summary of the property tax
information. The net tax value information here at the top, it shows
this column is what the current year is and then the proposed is the
fiscal year '22. So the tax value, this figure up here is what the
Pima County tax value, the total property valuation in the county.
So if you read that, that's in hundreds, which means it's 9.1
billion in '21, moving up to almost 9.7 billion in the upcoming year.
The overall change in valuation for the year is a little over 6%.
What's really important to the college is the next figure down, which
is that the new property grew by 1.1%. What that means is that if a
new property enters the tax rolls, we realize that entire property
tax from that new property, and we don't have to increase the tax
rate to realize that revenue.
That's what this figure is down here at the bottom. The 1.3-plus
million is what's generated from new property taxes, and that is all
that we are doing as we are doing what's called levy neutral, which
means that we are keeping the tax rate essentially the same and only
generating the additional revenue from the new property growth.
That results in a decrease -- because there is an increase in the
property valuation that happened during the year, that means that our
tax rate will decrease about 4.7%. That's from the $1.33 and change
to the $1.27. What that means, for a property that's valued at
$100,000, the tax bill for this upcoming year would be $127.33.
That's how you read that.
And again, we are going levy neutral. That was something that we
discussed as part of Prop 481, both to reinforce the idea that we
really needed just relief from expenditure limitation and also in
reflection of the fact that COVID and the pandemic has had an adverse
impact on our community, it would not be a good time for us to
increase the taxes for that reason, as well.
The last two charts I have related to the tax gives some
perspective. This is a comparison of our peer institutions and what
their tax rates are. As you can see, we are the third lowest in the
state, just a touch over Maricopa. As you can see over on the far
right-hand side, Coconino is an outlier, they were founded with a
very low tax rate and they have actually over the years been trying
to increase that tax rate because it's really inhibiting their
ability, financial flexibility and ability to provide education. So
they are not a very good measure over there on the right-hand side.
Then you can see that we are on the low end of the spectrum compared
to our peer institutions.
Then this last chart shows the comparison over time and how the
tax rates have changed. As I believe you all know, we do not have a
secondary tax rate. We haven't issued GO bonds in a long time, and
we paid them off back in 2015. So you can see that our tax rate, as
we have been levy neutral the last two years, that our tax rate has
been declining and is getting back to about the same total tax rate
as what was experienced back in fiscal year '07.
The one other thing that I wanted to add and we put this in the
board packet for information is because we have not increased the
levy maximum the last two years that we have been levy neutral, our
levy maximum is now about $5 million above what we will be levying.
We retain that ability to increase up to that level through a
truth-in-taxation process in the future. I want the board to be
aware we have that additional capacity out there for future years,
should we need it.
With that, I will pause if there are any questions related to the
taxes.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Are there any questions from the board?
Dr. Bea, if we could just -- I overlooked the roll call. I want to
do that for the record because we have somebody calling in, too.
If you could just quickly do the roll call, Mr. Silvyn.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Gonzales?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Here.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Here.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Ripley?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Here.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Clinco?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Here.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: I believe Dr. Hay is with us remotely.
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Yes.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Are there any questions for Dr. Bea?
Yes, Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: So what's the total increase again in the
budget, the increase in revenues?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: The increase in revenues is about 1.3 million,
little more than 1.3 million.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Repeat that again? I can't hear you.
>> DR. DAVID BEA: 1.35 million. This figure here.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Any other questions from any board members
on this? Okay. We are now going to have a call for public comment.
The public comment will be permitted regarding the proposed budget.
We have one person for public comment. Makyla Hays.
>> Hello? I apologize for the Pokemon on the screen, but my son
was logged in for class. So if you can see my logo, that's why.
Good evening, members of the board, colleagues and guests. I
watched the presentation on Monday night about the proposed property
restoration project. Thank you, everyone, for asking questions and
working towards the best solution for the college.
Let me start by saying I am one who loves history and preserving
history. I love seeing renovations that restore value merge the
modern-day function with historical memory, and I truly do see the
value in that. However, I also really appreciated Board Member
Garcia's questions about the price tag and our funding options and
how those balance with faculty and staff salaries.
I appreciated Mr. Clinco's questions about funding sources as
well as the history in recent years has been that capital was
separate from operations with expenditure limitations.
It seems we are no longer divided by this distinction with the
passage of 481 and 207.
So my question is this: Is this the time to do it? Should the
college move forward with the proposed renovations and expansion now
at the cost of honoring the work the employees have done this past
year during COVID, and truly the past seven years with no step
advancement or step program in place. Or could we do more for our
employees than a small cost-of-living adjustment and $1,000 stipend
if we prioritize our spending differently?
It seems we do actually have the money, and that money could be
spent for those that have put in countless hours of work
transitioning the jobs to support students and each other throughout
the pandemic situation.
I know there was a slide presented to you at the budget session
showing how the cost-of-living adjustments have capped wages somewhat
in line with inflation. However, I think if you look at the
cumulative effect of not having steps or yearly cost of living
adjustments for each employee group separately, you'd find that
faculty and staff have not actually kept up, and we are significantly
behind where we would have been if there been yearly COLAs since
2014.
This year's 2% COLA and $1,000 falls short of making up for that.
Employees are of course thankful for help, but many are still hurting
and feeling the impact of making relatively less money than they had
seven years ago. The college had expenditure limitation as the
reason for not being able to make these adjustments before. It's a
little disheartening to hear discussions of taking money that could
be used to fill in that financial gap for employees and using it
towards such a large-scale project.
I heard wonderful things about the Teaching and Learning Center
and the support for faculty on Monday night. I definitely don't want
to diminish their work. They were very helpful, and I feel it was
necessary to have their support during this past transition.
However, should we put this expense towards a new building and
renovated space at the expense of helping out faculty and staff more?
Is there a way that we could give the departments those space while
still helping employees out more at this time?
Before Monday's presentation, my public comment was mainly going
to be to let you know that PCCEA did meet briefly with Dr. Bea. We
had a good discussion, and it's always a joy to work with Dr. Bea. I
really do truly respect him.
But we did not actually get to go over all our questions that as
had been asked by Ms. Ripley. What we did discuss was we should meet
more often and earlier starting in the fall this coming year to
address future budgetary questions. I'm hopeful that these future
conversations can be productive and substantive as we work together
to move PCC forward.
Thank you so much.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Ms. Hays.
That is the end of the public comments that are preregistered.
Is there anyone else who wishes to make a comment at this time?
Okay. Hearing none, we are going to adjourn the public hearing,
and we are going to convene the special meeting to consider the two
motions.
So having met the requirements prescribed by state law, do I have
a motion to approve the Pima County Community College District's
property tax rates levies for fiscal year 2022?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: We are just asking about the tax levies?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: This is only the tax levy.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: So moved.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Is there a second?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Second.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Any discussion? Okay. Hearing none, we
will do a roll call vote.
Mr. Silvyn?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Gonzales?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Yes.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Yes.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Ripley?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Yes.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Clinco?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Yes.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Dr. Hay?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Yes.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: The motion passes unanimously.
The next item is having met the requirements prescribed by state
law for the review of the college's proposed budget, do I have a
motion to approve the proposed budget for the Pima Community College
District for fiscal year July 1, 2021, through June 30, 2022?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing.
Can I table it?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Well, first someone has to make a motion and
then you could ask to table it.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Yes.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I move for approval.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Is there a second?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Second.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Discussion. Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Well, I'm not sure quite how to do this.
But I would request that any funds for Trane, the Trane project, be
eliminated from the budget until we vote and the package is presented
to us on what's going to be done. I'm not sure how to do that.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Bea maybe could provide an explanation
for the cap that we are approving tonight.
Dr. Bea, could you maybe provide a little bit of explanation
about the framework and that large capital expenditure would still
have to come back to the board for approval?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Yeah, and then I'm sure Jeff will probably add
in a little bit after what I say.
So the budget includes the capacity to be able to do that
project. That project has to come back to the board for approval
before it actually will happen. So it would be consistent to approve
the budget as is, as we have presented it, and still have the future
decision related to Trane upcoming in a future board action item.
We have talked to the board about doing it that way. Again, this
gives us the capability to do that project, because ultimately the
budget is establishing a maximum amount we can spend, but we can
always decide not to do something and spend less.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Dr. Bea, I appreciate the information that
you're providing. But in my view, that needs to be eliminated from
the budget at this point.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Just one point of clarification, if what you
do is lower the budget by that amount, then we can't spend it for
anything. So --
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: And that's okay. Because we are not going
to make any decisions until all of this stuff comes through, it's
going to be another six months before anything happens.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: I guess a couple things to consider. One
is, as Dr. Bea said, passing the budget does not commit the board to
fund any particular capital projects. So any capital project over
$250,000 like that one has to come back to the board. So approval
tonight does not in any way commit the college to fund that project.
The second piece would be, if you take it out of the budget you
reduce spending. Instead, if you leave it in the budget, we can
always move that money to fund a different project or no project at
all, but you have the option to do so. Whereas if you just lower the
budget by that amount of money, we can't spend that amount of money
on anything.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Well, I'm going to apologize, but since I
can't trust what's happening, I still am going to propose that we
delete that from the budget.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So, Ms. Garcia, what you would need to do
is offer an amendment to the motion or you could offer a substitute
motion, and then we would vote on that amendment, we would vote it up
or down, and then we would vote on the underlying item.
Do you want to make a -- first of all, first of all, would it be
considered a friendly amendment to the motion maker and the person
who made the second?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: So if I might explain that. The way our
procedural rules are set up, if someone makes a motion and then
someone wants to amend the motion, the person who made the original
motion has a decision to make. I agree with that amendment, and I
will accept it as a friendly amendment, in which case we don't have a
separate vote on it. Or you could say, I don't think it aligns with
what my intent was. Therefore I don't accept it as a friendly
amendment, in which case we have to have a vote on whether to amend
or not. Does that...
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So what I think we would -- what we are
going to have to -- so I think maybe we should vote on it separately,
and then so we can, so we need -- the motion has been made.
Is there a second for the motion to amend the motion?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Second.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Now we can have a discussion about the --
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Proposed amendment.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: This particular proposal. So is there any
discussion on this particular amendment to the underlying motion?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Okay. I can discuss.
Considering, I think I have already discussed my feelings about
the way that some of this stuff has gone through with the contract, I
have my doubts about how the system is being run, okay, and I
apologize for that, but it's my own personal opinion about things.
So in reviewing the facilities report, the audit that they did,
there is a lot of questions about what should happen and shouldn't
happen, okay?
So I am not comfortable putting this at all in the budget
considering that the chancellor has the ability to approve $250,000
on anything. He could do that with some portions of it and still
spend money on it. So therefore, I'm not willing to have that in the
budget.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay.
Is there any additional discussion? Ms. Ripley?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Yes. Thank you, Ms. Garcia.
I just want to make it clear so that I understand this. If we
keep it in the budget, it's not earmarked necessarily specifically
for the Trane project. It's in the budget. So if it we, as a board,
vote not to continue the Trane project, we still have that money
available in the case of and the opportunity to do some other capital
or not capital but other mechanical improvements.
The AC units, talking about the HVAC units really, and the
follow-on projects with the school of mechanics. But if we needed a
new HVAC system and we didn't have that budget, that money in the
budget, we would be out on a limb, correct?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Right. And Dr. Bea, I think, would echo
this. The budget you are passing is a capacity budget. What that
means is it's the maximum amount that you can spend on different
areas. It does not require that you spend it.
Whatever you set as that capacity limit is the limit that we
spend. So if you reduce the budget by, pick a number, a million
dollars, just for simplicity, then you cannot spend that additional
million dollars on anything in the upcoming fiscal year.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: How much money are we talking about in
that particular line item?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Bea?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Approximately 13 million.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: So if we kept that $13 million in, and
I want to repeat this, it is not specifically earmarked for Trane; is
that correct?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Bea?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: So in the capital project list, it was listed
as a potential project, but again, it will not happen if the board
does not approve going forward with that project.
So it is essentially set aside for that project. If that project
doesn't happen, then that money would be set aside and available for
another use that the board may approve.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Great. Thank you. I think that
answers -- just for everybody's clarity, though, the whole reason we
went down this track, no pun intend, with Trane, but we were looking
for, because out of necessity, an improvement to our HVAC system?
That's not correct?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: No, it's not.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Chancellor Lambert?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So at some point, the college is going to
have to address its deferred maintenance issues, which HVAC and our
energy management systems are a component of that.
I think another facet to keep in mind, in addition to that $13
million that Dave is talking about, a subset of that, correct me if
I'm wrong, Dave, is federal stimulus money. Even if the board did
not agree to the 13 million, that doesn't mean that we have -- we
still have the stimulus money, but it's limited in how it can be
used.
In other words, the Trane project is not $13 million from the
college. Some of that is from the stimulus money.
Does that make sense?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: How much is that? Just the stimulus money.
>> DR. DAVID BEA: We are estimating that we can use about $5
million of stimulus money for that $13 million project.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Are there other questions or comments from
the board?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman Clinco?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Yes, Dr. Hay?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: I just want to support Commander Ripley's
assessment and think that her analysis of the money that's in the
budget versus how we spend it ultimately is correct, and I support
her analysis.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. Yes, Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: The one thing is this is the highest budget
that the college has ever approved.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Bea, is that accurate?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Yes, it is. It reflects -- let's put a little
bit of an explanation. So it reflects the federal stimulus money
coming into the college, so that's an increase of money, that's money
we haven't received in any fashion or in the relative size we are
talking about now, and then the other component to it, and this is
even the bigger part of it, is that the budget reflects a lot of
capital projects that we already have underway, the continuation of
the aviation construction as well as the continuation of the Applied
Technology building, and then also setting aside to start up the
project for Allied Health.
So it's really, the growth in the budget is really a function of
growth in our capital projects, which have been planned, most of
which have been planned for some long period of time, actually, and
reflected by the revenue bonds projects and the issuing revenue bonds
a number of years ago.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Dr. Bea, let me ask again, and sorry if I'm
being redundant. So $13 million assigned to the Trane, you're saying
not all of that is going to be -- we are budgeting it, but we are not
going to be putting that money in. So in my assessment, subtract the
$5 million from the 13 or is the 5 million a combination of
everything on what we are being given on the stimulus money?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: So I think the issue is that the budget gives
you the ability, the budget that we are proposing, gives you the
ability to spend the entire $13 million for the project. The issue
with the federal funds is that about $5 million of that 13 million we
think can be offset by the federal funds, and the challenge with that
is that there is a possibility that we don't have another similar
project and we would then -- if we are unable to find appropriate
uses for that federal money, that that federal money could go back to
the government. We wouldn't be tapping into the resources that are
totally available to us. I think that's a little bit of the risk
that we are talking about.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Thank you.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So are there any other questions on the
amendment? Mr. Gonzales?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: One question, now that you're mentioning
the federal monies, is there a time limit to use that money?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Yeah. Generally they are giving, for most of
the HEERF funds, it's one year from the time of when you're granted
the money or when you have received the money.
I think there is a good chance that there will be a little bit of
an extension to it, but we are talking about 12 months from, we have
just received the third allotment this week, we're talking about 12
months from now, and maybe a little bit more than that, but we are
talking, we will need to use the money fairly quickly.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Gonzales, any follow-up questions?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I'm willing to accept this budget, but I
want to make darn sure, and so I need your word, Chancellor, that if
any money is to be spent on Trane, even though you're allowed
250,000, that you bring it forward to the board.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: The Trane project --
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Any of the Trane items.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Chancellor Lambert -- first of all,
Mr. Gonzales was about to say something. Before Chancellor Lambert
finishes that statement, I do want to get your last question out,
because it looks like we're wrapping the conversation up and are
going to vote.
Mr. Gonzales?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: The question I have for Mr. Bea up there
is that the date that it came in, I know -- I know there is three
pockets of federal monies or CARES, I mean, the COVID monies,
correct? Which pocket is this from?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: This is likely to come out of the HEERF III,
so the funds that just came in this week.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: For the CARES?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: No, the CARES is what came in back a little
more than a year ago, and then CRRSAA is what came in a few months
ago, and then ARPA, which is the HEERF III, came in just this last
week.
We are still identifying and have spending out the CRRSAA money.
The CARES money has been spent. We are spending out and planning out
the use of the CRRSAA funds. And then now we are starting to plan
out how to use the ARPA funds as well.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Is there a potential of getting another
fourth allocation from the federal government in reference to the
pandemic?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: I think that that's extremely unlikely, given,
and others certainly can weigh in with as valid of an opinion, but
from what I'm seeing from the federal government, it's unlikely that
there will be funds coming in in a stimulus fashion, that the one
thing that could come in within the next year might be infrastructure
money, but I think by the time they get that passed, I think the fact
there would be community college infrastructure money might be --
it's certainly diminishing, given that they have already cut a large
amount out of what the original plans were.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Thank you.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So now, Chancellor Lambert, could you just
give us your assurance that any funding related to Trane would come
to this board for approval?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So the approval of the Trane agreement will
be brought to this board to be approved or not approved. So we will
not be expending dollars until that approval happens.
Now, I say that, and then I will put this caveat to that. The
board already approved the DHP system. That's the Dry Hydrogen
Peroxide, so money will be expended for that purpose.
If there is little, 1,000, 2,000 there, I may not even be aware
of that. That's why I'm cautious, because if let's say we had to do
something with Trane that cost the college a few thousand dollars, I
probably would never see that. I want you to know that.
I'm committed to making sure that we don't expend college
resources on the Trane project until it comes before this board for
its approval.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: And if other expenses were to be made for
Trane, I would appreciate it if it would be brought to the board, at
least inform us.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: If I'm aware of it.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: If you're aware of it.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Because remember, certain dollar amounts --
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: You don't see.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: -- I don't see. But if it's brought to my
attention, certainly -- now, are you saying even as it relates to the
DHP piece?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Yeah, even the DHP.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: We can put them in as information items.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I mean, it's been approved but I'd like to
know.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: It will always lag because of the way the
board meetings are structured.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Ripley has a question, but before we
do, do we want to vote on the motion or do you want to withdraw the
amendment, or do we want to vote -- you could just withdraw it and we
would vote on the underlying --
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I'll withdraw it.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. So the amendment to the underlying
motion has been withdrawn.
Ms. Ripley?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: And just also for transparency and
clarity, there has not been a contract yet, and we are also going to
at some point meet to review the internal review and also an external
review on the energy audit that was conducted by Trane, and at that
point I'm hoping more questions will be answered.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Let me back up. We have an umbrella
contract with Trane. The board has already approved the umbrella
contract. Now what we are working through is specific terms and
conditions related to standards in which to measure this savings in
which they have presented to the board.
If they can satisfy those standards, then we need to demonstrate
a business reason why we would not go through with that part of the
agreement, okay? So as part of that, what you're describing is
that's all being integrated into working on the standards.
So we have brought in I believe it was GLHN to help us with that
process. So that's our independent third-party group that's helping
us.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: But, Chancellor, one other thing, I'm
sorry, is that you have not presented to us the actual audit report
by our internal facilities department. It's already been done.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: You have a copy of it?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I do.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Then you have been given it.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Not by you.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: But you have a copy of it. Anyway...
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So I'm concerned we are now moving beyond
the budget discussion.
The underlying, just to recap, we have a motion on the table. Is
there any other discussion about the underlying budget at this point?
Ms. Ripley? No? Okay.
Hearing no more discussion, we are going to have a roll call
vote. Mr. Silvyn?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Gonzales?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Yes.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I abstain.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Ms. Ripley?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Yes.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Mr. Clinco?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Yes.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Dr. Hay?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Yes.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: The motion passes 4-0 with Ms. Garcia
abstaining.
Now, we are going to take a very short recess. We need to sign
some documents related to the budget, and then we will reconvene our
regular meeting. If you could just -- we will pause until the sound
of the gavel.
(Meeting recess.)
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I'd like to call to order the regular
meeting. The first order of business on our regular meeting is our
public comment and call to the audience.
The Pima Community College Governing Board welcomes public
comment on issues within the jurisdiction of the college. Generally
the total time for public comment will be limited to 45 minutes, and
comments will be limited to 3 minutes per individual. These time
limits may be modified by the board or board chair.
Individuals sharing comments are expected to communicate with
decorum and respect. Individuals who engage in disorderly conduct or
use divisive or insulting language may have their time reduced or
concluded by the board chair.
At the conclusion of public comment, individual board members may
respond to criticism made by those who addressed the board, may ask
staff to review a matter, or ask that a matter be put on a future
agenda. Members of the board, however, may not discuss or take legal
action on matters raised during the public comment unless matters are
properly noticed for discussion and legal action.
Finally, be advised that internal college processes are available
to students and employees for communication.
So we do have a number of public comments this evening. The
first will be Guadalupe Caballero, who I believe will be introducing
a number of other speakers.
We can't hear you, actually.
>> Hi, good evening, Board members. Tonight we are going to
introduce the new Student Senate group. We wanted them to introduce
themselves. Is that possible?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: That would be great. Thank you.
>> Thank you. I have a list. Just a minute.
We're going to start with Collin Bryant. Collin?
>> I'm Collin Bryant. I'm going into my second year here at
Pima, and I am the Desert Vista representative for the Student
Senate. I'm also the Governing Board representative for the Student
Senate. So you will be seeing lots of me, and I'll be seeing lots of
you. I'm excited to work with you guys.
I'm also studying chemistry. That's my major.
>> Thank you, Collin. Now we have Miguel Barrera.
>> Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Miguel Barrera. I'm in
the pre-engineering program of study here at Pima. I'm also a member
of the Student Advisory Board, the All College Council, and Student
Senate representative for Downtown Campus.
I'm also a member of PTK and its liaison for Downtown Campus.
Thank you.
>> Gracias, Miguel. We have Jakelynn Wert.
>> Hi there. I'm Jakelynn Wert. I'm majoring in sociology.
I'll be next year's All College Council representative as well as
representing West Campus. Thank you for having us.
>> Gracias, Jakelynn. Next we have Sage Hawkins.
>> Hello. I'm Sage Hawkins. My pronouns are they, them, theirs.
I'm the Student Senate representative for East Campus as well as the
senate chair. I am also on the Student Advisory Board as well as the
secretary for the Pima Pride Alliance, and I'm a sociology major.
Thanks for having us today.
>> Thank you, Sage. Next we have Allysa Saunders.
>> Hi, everyone. My name is Allysa Saunders. I go by she/her.
My program of study is nursing. My position in Student Senate is
co-chair, and I represent the Northwest Campus.
>> Thank you, Allysa. Next we have Max Luevanos.
>> Good evening. My name is Maximus Luevanos, and my major is in
neuroscience and cognitive science. I'm a premed student with
aspirations to become a psychiatrist.
I'm the Student Senate secretary, and I will be a representative
of Downtown Campus. Thank you very much. Nice meeting you all.
>> Thank you, Max. Next we have Andrea Salazar Calderon.
>> Good evening, Chairperson Clinco, members of the board,
Chancellor Lambert, and all present here. My name is Andrea Salazar,
and this semester I'll be finishing my first year at Pima. I'm
working towards an Associate's in business administration and an
Honors certificate. This coming year, I will be serving as the vice
president for Phi Theta Kappa chapter, as (indiscernible) of the
Honors Club, president of the Pima Cares Club, and co-secretary in
PimaOnline student senator. Thank you.
>> Gracias. Next is Nimrada Pitel.
>> I'm Nimrada Pitel. I'm in the hospitality leadership program
here at Pima. I'm the treasurer for the Student Senate and also part
of the Student Advisory Board. I represent the online campus.
Thank you for having us.
>> Thank you, Nimrada. Next we have Carla Wilson.
>> Hi, my name is Carla Wilson. I am a postgraduate paralegal
certificate student at Pima College. I am the parliamentarian of the
Student Senate. Happy to be here. Thanks for having me.
>> Thank you, Carla. Next we have Rachel Gravina.
>> Hello. My name is Rachel Gravina. I am currently majoring in
prehealth, and I plan on transferring to the U of A to major in
public health. I am the social media liaison for the Student Senate,
and I am also the West Campus representative. I'm also the West
Campus liaison for Phi Theta Kappa, and I'm an Honors executive
officer for this year.
I will see you guys around. Thank you.
>> Gracias, Rachel. I also want to thank Michael Lopez, Bella
Velasquez, Jennifer Wellburn, Dr. Suzanne Desjardin, Valerie Videl
King that helped make this possible for the student senators.
Thank you for having us tonight.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much. Looks like we have B
Velasquez who would also like to comment on this topic. Maybe not.
Okay. Well, on behalf of the board, we really want to
congratulate all of the students taking this leadership position.
The Student Senate really is an important feature and facet of the
institution, and the student senators in the past have brought
forward very meaningful ideas and information to the board to help us
and inform our decision-making, including more open resource written
materials. These types of initiatives have really been advanced by
the senate, and we really thank you for your participation and
leadership. It means a lot to the institution.
Thank you for being here this evening, and we hope to hear back
from you throughout the year on how things are going. Thank you very
much.
Next we have Ken Scoville. Mr. Scoville, you have three minutes.
>> Hello. My name is Ken Scoville, local historian and retired
teacher and I have been involved in community issues in Tucson since
1985.
Before I get any farther, I want to applaud the college about the
new automotive tech and innovation center, which focuses on the
importance of the automobile in the 21st Century. Being an
historian, I think it's just wonderful that this new center is along
the historic gateway for the automobile in the early part of the 20th
Century.
I'm here to speak in support of the historic motels on Drachman.
For several years, I was on the Oracle area revitalization task force
for the City of Tucson. During this time, I was directly involved
with the adaptive reuse of the historic Ghost Ranch Lodge, and this
wonderful lodge was adapted in a very positive way, and this led to
national recognition for the developer and the City of Tucson, and I
attended city council meeting for that recognition.
The adaptive reuse of these historic motels will bring national
recognition to Pima Community College and the Downtown Campus. As I
travel all across the United States and look at adaptive reuses of
historic buildings, they are such a wonderful supportive use of our
traditions and history.
Again, I want to add my support and anything I can do as a
volunteer to see this adaptive reuse so the students and the
community could enjoy those resources in the 21st Century.
Thank you very much.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Scoville.
Next we have Rebecca Ruopp. Ms. Ruopp, you have three minutes.
>> Good evening. My name is Rebecca Ruopp. I reside at 5701
East Glenn Street. I wanted to voice support also for tonight's
agenda item 11.2, Downtown Campus hotel/motel development.
I do this because years of my career as a planner with the City
of Tucson have been focused on the revitalization of the Oracle
Miracle Mile area which includes the Pima Community College Downtown
Campus and the hotel/motel properties addressed in the agenda item.
Pima Community College has been a collaborative partner
throughout this planning work, along with the surrounding
neighborhoods, businesses, and other organizations. Through
extensive hands-on engagement with stakeholders in the broader
public, several themes have been continually repeated. First, the
importance of the area's history, something that I heard through so
many stories about staying in a motor court hotel, dancing, eating,
bowling, getting married, going to school.
In fact, the significance of this history was confirmed in the
listing of the Miracle Mile Historic District on the National
Register of Historic Places in 2017. It also was the impetus for
relocating the historic neon signs that Pima Community College so
kindly gave a home for on Drachman Street.
Second, the importance of creating places that enhance the area.
Drachman Street has been identified and rendered multiple times as a
street that has the potential to be a lively destination with an
outward identity that would complement the Downtown Campus's more
inward identity.
This is a street that can be memorable, not unlike the iconic
neon saguaro on Oracle Road, which is an image that now appears on
everything from coffee cups to key chains to lamps.
Third, the importance of providing opportunities and services
that will benefit and help improve the lives of those who live in the
area along with others. The diner being considered, for instance,
would provide a place for students to try out their culinary skills
while providing neighbors a place to eat at, I'm guessing, a
reasonable cost.
So in summary, repurposing these historic properties is about
honoring the area's history, contributing to the area's future, and
serving both the college and its neighbors. I have worked on
well-known projects in major cities in this country, and I truly
believe that if we all pull in the same direction, this area will
become a much-talked-about testament to Tucson's dedication to
sustaining its unique and special character.
Thank you.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Ms. Ruopp.
That concludes our public comment and call to the audience.
Next we have our remarks by the Governing Board. We have 25
minutes set aside for this. Mr. Gonzales?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: I just want to say hello to everybody who
is watching right now. I hope everything is going well. As I
mentioned before, we do have big challenging times, but I think we
are seeing the light. I think that light is coming very shortly, as
well, too.
I do want to acknowledge our students that graduated a couple
weeks ago or a week ago, not only the community college students but
also the high school students that hopefully will also be
transitioning out here as well, too. I think those are the people,
the youngsters, the students that will help us follow what we want to
do here at Pima Community College.
With that, I do want to end with having a statement, a statement
that as has been heard before, and it's alongside just following up
on what Ms. Garcia mentioned. This is my statement for June 9th
meeting.
Tonight I would like to address the Governing Board. The subject
I want to address this evening is the Trane contract. These are the
facts concerning the Trane contract based on 500-plus e-mails
received pursuant to a public record request.
On June 4, 2019, 7:18 a.m., a Trane employee e-mailed Greg Wilson
and included many disparaging remarks about Vice Chancellor Bill
Ward. Two hours later, Mr. Ward was removed from the Trane RFP
development process in an e-mail from Mr. Lambert at the instigation
of the Trane employee.
On the e-mail to Mr. Ward, Mr. Lambert appointed Mr. Bea and
Mr. Dor� to take the lead on the Trane project. During that 2019,
during the time of the RFP was being developed, the Trane employee
exchanged approximately 190 e-mails with PCC employees including
Mr. Lambert.
Between July 1, August 1, 2019, the Trane employee and Mr. Bea
exchanged 26 e-mails while Mr. Bea was supervising and writing the
RFP. On Thursday, July 19, 2019, the Trane employee e-mailed Greg
Wilson and stated, quote, I had 90-minute visit with Dr. Bea.
Before the RFP was published, the Trane employee exchanged
approximately 90 e-mails with Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson was a team
leader of the Trane RFP evaluation team. Board members, Ms. Garcia
and myself, Mr. Gonzales, told the board that they knew from
firsthand source that their Trane employee had stated he had written
the energy management RFP. We have independently confirmed their
statement.
On May 3, 2021, a PCC employee e-mailed a PCC contractor, do you
have anything more about the RFP generation than what I learned
independently of you that Trane wrote it. I was told by this Bryce
May, a Trane employee, and I believe you have heard this from other
employees at Trane.
It sounds like someone here at PCC is saying they pulled it from
off the shelf resource. This doesn't make sense as the RFP was so
specific and so well aligned with what Trane has been trying to sell
before the RFP went out. Do you have anything to add to this?
I have personal knowledge that three board members met with
senior executive who is currently facing disciplinary action at the
request. I know that these board members met with individual as a
whistleblower. This individual is entitled whistleblower status.
The (indiscernible) investigation conducted by long-time
contracted attorney to the Trane RFP were not unbiased and impartial.
Therefore, were ineffective as they failed to uncover the most
evidence. There is more than enough evidence for this board to
launch an independent investigation how the Trane RFP was developed
and if any Trane employee was involved in its creation.
Ms. Garcia and I now ask for an immediate independent
investigation into the Trane RFP process. The board must operate in
a democratic fashion. If the board majority is not interested in the
facts and evidence that are in the public record, they should be
confirmed by vote in the public session.
This issue has the potential of exposing the college to legal
action and that may each board member and Mr. Lambert in their
personal capacities. Let me remind you, the board, that in 2013 HLC
placed the college on probation for contracting practices and for
failing to oversee the chancellor's action. Also, the board should
recall that in Katz vs PCC, the Court ruled that Mr. Lambert denied
an employee due process. It appears that he is on the same path now.
I do not and will not support the firing of Bill Ward.
I want to submit this as my statement, because it's nothing new.
We have been discussing it and talking about it, and I think it's
about time that we need to get to the bottom of this.
I do have some of the e-mails right here in reference to the
statements that I read.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Gonzales.
Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Well, I'm going to follow the same path,
I'm sorry, as Mr. Gonzales, so I have a statement to read, as well.
I'm going to state that I received a copy of a letter from Bill
Ward to the chancellor dated May 20, 2021.
I also received a copy, a document of the titled facilities
review Trane investment grade audit, and some six documents attached
as appendices to the Trane report. In summary, due to the number and
variety of issues, oversights, and omissions, concerns identified
during our review and outlined in this document, PCC facilities
recommends pay 200,000 for the (indiscernible) performed by Trane and
close the purchase order. Do not accept the recommendations proposed
by Trane. Academic energy living lab component stands on its own and
to continue under the Downtown Campus building renovation projects as
planned. Consider utilizing one of the five energy service companies
(indiscernible) cooperative contracts available to utilize via the
State of Arizona cooperative contract for energy management systems
services.
Consider creating a new RFP under the direction of PCC facilities
with the guidelines of unbiased engineering firm utilizing the
experience and recommendations of the PCC energy resource manager and
independent subject matter experts.
Engage in an independent third-party nonequipment manufacturing
engineering firm to conduct an updated impartial comprehensive
facilities condition audit and make unbiased recommendations for PCC
facilities has already requested funding for the independent
facilities condition audit for the inclusion of the '22 capital
budget.
If the college decides to approve and move forward with a full
set of contract recommendations found in the audit, PCC strongly
requests to be included in the review and determination of the final
contract language. Prior to the exclusion of any signed agreement or
purchase order, in order to utilize subject matter experts to protect
the best interests of the college.
The individuals who are here to speak about the various projects
are not construction of energy experts. If Mr. Ward files legal
action against the college, the board would be named in their
individual capacity. (Indiscernible) called upon testifying any
legal action brought by Mr. Ward, I will truly testify that I have
evidence of prior to Mr. Lambert's action against Bill Ward three
board members requested to meet with him. When I asked to meet with
Bill Ward I met with him as a whistleblower.
As a board member, I believe that Mr. Lambert has denied Bill
Ward his due process rights. Mr. Gonzales and I have provided the
board in public sessions sufficient information about potential
violations of procurement policy in regards to the Trane RFP.
If Mr. Ward is terminated, this board will share responsibility.
The chair is citing a policy granting Mr. Lambert absolute power will
not be defensible argument as to the board's complicity in Bill
Ward's firing. That's all.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Ms. Garcia.
Ms. Ripley?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Thank you. Thank you also for your
statements, Mr. Gonzales and Ms. Garcia.
I feel that this will require a lot more discussion and a lot
more transparency and clarity, especially regarding the RFP issue and
the responses to all of the e-mails that you were referring to,
Mr. Gonzales.
So I would personally like to have another session to talk about
this and to figure out, because I see two things: The RFP being an
issue itself --
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Ripley, just a point of order. I
don't want us to move into a discussion about items that aren't on
the agenda, so I think putting it on as a future item for a study
session probably would be the right way.
This time really is set aside for issues facing the college,
updates on schedules and things that people are participating in with
college activities. I hate to cut you off, but I just want to keep
us really within the bounds of what's on the agenda this evening.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Okay, great. Thanks. I just didn't
want to diminish such a serious topic and go into my prepared remarks
that aren't really prepared, but basically I wanted to congratulate
all the graduates, in particular all of the athletes as well who the
men's, Aztec soccer team who just completed a very successful season
in dire circumstances.
And also, I had the pleasure and honor of speaking at the Air
Force paramedic graduation last week, which was one of the more
joyful things that we do as Governing Board members, and especially
as a retired naval officer, it was a huge honor and pleasure to see
so many bright young faces that Pima Community College had a small
part in training.
Thank you.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much. Dr. Hay?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: I have no comments right now. Thank you.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much. I again also want to
congratulate the graduates. You know, at the end of the year it's
always the coming together that really makes participating on this
board so worthwhile, as we watch all of the incredible hard work be
rewarded with certificates and degrees that cross the stage.
It's really been an absence to not be able to participate in that
meaningful engagement. I want to first and foremost congratulate all
of the graduates, but really, I want to thank the staff and the
faculty and the administrators and volunteers and everyone,
particularly our IT department who have made this year possible and
have committed and focused on student success. We know it has been
just such a challenging year because of COVID and the changes and the
continued modifications.
But seeing those graduates move from students into the workforce
and heading on their educational goals is just absolutely inspiring,
and every single person in this room and within the jurisdiction of
this college do so much work to make that possible. I just really
want to acknowledge them.
And I want to acknowledge Chancellor Lambert for your leadership,
and PCCTV for producing such a great virtual graduation. It really,
it was inspiring. I just want to acknowledge that.
I also just want to thank the citizen diplomats who work with
Pima College. Some of the board members were invited to a meeting
with the US ambassador to Brazil, which was a fascinating
conversation that touched on some of the work that Pima College does
that I wasn't very familiar with in terms of the citizen ambassador
program. It was very great to hear about that.
Thank you for sharing your comments, and we'll take the materials
and we'll get that study session, or we'll be discussing it certainly
when the Trane topic comes up again.
So with that, that will conclude the Governing Board member
remarks. Next we have our administrative report. The first is the
Strategic Enrollment Management Plan discussion with Dr. Irene
Robles, vice president of student affairs.
Chancellor Lambert, I'd like to hand it over to you, and you can
introduce Ms. Robles.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So we're very pleased to present to you a
discussion we'd like to engage in around strategic enrollment
management.
So I have Dr. Irene Robles-Lopez and her team, David Arellano, to
really lay out kind of the broad framework and then engage in some
questions and discussions with the board about the way forward.
With that, Irene, I'll turn it over to you.
>> DR. IRENE ROBLES-LOPEZ: Thank you, Chancellor Lambert. Good
evening, Chairperson Clinco, members of the board, Chancellor
Lambert, colleagues and guests.
This evening we will be sharing some data and information on
enrollment and the comprehensive process on developing the college's
Strategic Enrollment Management Plan. We wanted to be proactive in
gathering your input and your insights as to what you felt was
important.
My colleague, the dean of enrollment management, David Arellano,
will now be sharing this information with us, which will then lead us
to the discussion.
David, if you would like to bring that up.
>> DAVID ARELLANO: Thank you, Dr. Robles-Lopez.
Good evening, Chairperson Clinco, members of the board,
Chancellor Lambert, colleagues and guests. As Dr. Robles-Lopez
mentioned, I'm going to give you an update on the Strategic
Enrollment Management Plan, go into a little bit of the context
behind that plan, and talk a little bit about the data that supports
it.
Keep in mind we will be highlighting information, and like Dr.
Robles-Lopez mentioned, there will be an opportunity for questions
and discussion a little bit later in this session.
So to kind of get us going and get us up to speed, what is the
SEMP? The Strategic Enrollment Management Plan is really an
integrated and institutional-wide plan that helps us identify, helps
us recruit students, enroll, retain, and graduate our students as
they enter and exit the institution.
It also aligns with all of our college plans, and it really
relates to our purpose, our vision, mission, and the behaviors of the
college. The SEMP is going to be something that is goal-oriented,
it's actionable, and it's going to be measurable. That's the bigger
picture of what the Strategic Enrollment Management Plan is.
Next I kind of want to highlight a few of the components of the
SEMP, and that begins with kind of getting an institutional
assessment, understanding what our climate is, looking at strategy
development, the creation of goals for the institution, for units,
and then the implementation piece and then the continuous monitoring
of those strategies and initiatives that the SEMP creates.
In particular, I really want to share this slide or this
infographic from EAB, Educational Advisory Board, because I think it
really highlights the key components of the institutional assessment.
I'm going to hone in specifically on competition. You have heard me
talk about this in previous board sessions about our competitors. We
do have two of the largest online institutions in our backyard with
ASU and Southern New Hampshire. We have the U of A which have
introduced a variety of initiatives such as the U of A Pell pledge
program that really looks at leveling the playing field in terms of
cost and that value proposition.
But also, you'll see that there is a lot of demographic
information that's going to feed into the SEMP or be looked at as we
go through and analyze.
The chancellor has talked about birth dearth data fertility
rates. Those are extremely important in mapping out where we are
going in the next five years, but also the next 30, 40, 50 years and
so on. There is labor market data. There is data related it our K12
pipeline. There is going to be data related to population shifts,
things like that, all broken down by several perspectives and lenses
such as age, race, ethnicity, things like that. This just gives you
a sample of that institutional assessment.
Next we are looking at SEMP participants, and so this just gives
you an illustration of who is involved in the SEMP process at the
institution. There is many units, probably many units I could have
added to this particular slide, but this gives you an idea of who
gives feedback collaboration and input into the SEMP, and then some
of these units listed here are ultimately initiative owners of the
SEMP.
Finally, I want to highlight our SEMP roadmap, and so when we
look at year 1, this is what are we doing as an institution and
strategizing for the immediate impact for fall '21. How do we start
that recovery? How do we use this SEMP plan as a catalyst to gain
that enrollment, to regain our footprint in the community, and really
support the community in their efforts and career goals?
Years 2 through 5, that really looks to alignment with the
college strategic plan, which Nic Richmond has briefed you all on.
It's going to be a key piece into the Achieve60AZ, especially with
those goals embedded within that statewide initiative and our college
strategic plan.
And then the SEMP plan is always for any institution key to their
financial sustainability related to enrollments, related to FTSE,
related to expenditure limitation. So this just kind of gives you an
overall roadmap of that SEMP process.
Next I'm going to switch gears and kind of relay some of the
context related to the SEMP, and you have seen me discuss National
Student Clearinghouse data, but this is a really clear picture of the
national level and the state level.
In here, what we are looking at and what I really want to
highlight is we are seeing enrollment decreases in our spring '21
data in the community college sector in particular. We are seeing
decreases of 11%. That's essentially 10 times our prepandemic level
declines. Then specifically looking at the State of Arizona,
enrollment at community colleges in our state has decreased by 16%.
So there is some larger macro factors that play at the national and
state level.
Honing it in a little bit more and looking at some of our
longitudinal data, this is really about looking backwards so we can
look forward. In that, you can see our enrollment declines not only
as an institution but across higher ed began around 2010/2011. So we
are dealing with a decade worth of enrollment declines and a lot of
other forces going on in higher education. So that kind of gives you
some perspective there.
Going a bit deeper into our data, looking at our fall enrollment
for the last five years, what you're seeing on this particular table
is that right now we are about 80 days out from the start of the fall
'21 semester, but our enrollment is actually up compared to fall '20,
which was our main pandemic year, but also fall of '18 and fall of
'17. But it is still lower than fall of '19.
So you're seeing a lot of fluctuation in those numbers. As
things reopen up and as vaccinations increase, it's all in flux right
now, but a lot of progress and momentum in the enrollment for the
institution.
This particular chart that I'm sharing complements that previous
table. It's a more visual look at some of those trends or
registration trends.
In particular, we are, for fall '21, we are the orange line and
it's kind of mixed in with some other trend lines, and then to the
right you'll see a green line, and that's going to be our fall 2020
pandemic year. What you're seeing with the orange line is the trend
in the right direction. It's trending towards prepandemic levels of
enrollment for our fall term.
That is great news for the institution. Every day our student
affairs teams and teams across the college are working hard towards
enrollment, and we are seeing that in those trends. A lot of
positives for the college with this particular piece here.
Finally, we talk about enrollment, we talk about access, we talk
about the front door for community colleges, but retention is a huge
piece. Retention and persistence is what's going to get us that
repeat enrollment. It's going to get us to those completions and
those graduate numbers that we do need to achieve those larger
college strategic plan goals and actually make a dent or actually an
impact in the larger Achieve60AZ initiatives.
So we will be looking at the institutional retention data and
student success data. All of that will really feed into the
Strategic Enrollment Management Plan.
With that, I'm going to turn it back over to Dr. Irene
Robles-Lopez who is going to kick-start our discussion and take it
from here.
>> DR. IRENE ROBLES-LOPEZ: Thank you so much, David, for all of
that data and information. For the board members, we want to
absolutely make sure we are getting your input and your feedback.
The other update I wanted to share is that the framework for the
Strategic Enrollment Management Plan, it will be evidence-based
decision-making. We want to utilize the data, both qualitative and
quantitative in looking at our students, their lived experiences
outside of the college, what their experience is within the college,
to make sure that we are covering all those important aspects when we
are looking at student experience and student success. So I did want
to share that update.
The first question that I just wanted to ask, does anybody have
any questions about any of the data or information that was just
shared prior to going into these questions?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Garcia? Then Ms. Ripley. Then
Mr. Gonzales?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Dr. Robles, one of the things that I look
at is we look at the national data, we look at the state data, but
there are other colleges that are doing much better in their
recruitment. Specifically, those like in El Paso.
My suggestions would be that maybe we should measure ourselves or
at least look into those other places that are doing better and that
also have the same type of demographics that we do, you know,
population-wise. Thank you.
>> DR. IRENE ROBLES-LOPEZ: Thank you, Ms. Garcia. That's a very
good point. We will be doing benchmarking as well as we look at
this, so we will absolutely look at that. Thank you.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Ripley?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Thank you. Thank you for that and
thank you for all the work that you do. This is one of our most
important things that we do with this board especially is our
interest in recruitment, retention, and enrollment. Thank you for
that.
And I do look forward to, and you mentioned benchmarks, I do look
forward to follow-on meetings with you to talk about metrics and
specifically the how and the what as far as the immediate enrollment
for this fall and what you intend to do. Not at this forum, but I do
look forward to speaking with you about that. Thank you.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Gonzales?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Thank you for the presentation. I think
it was very good. I'm excited in reference to what's going to be
happening.
I would like to see or share, or you can share with the board
later on in reference to the K12 data, pipeline data, because I think
that's one of the areas that we need to really focus, as I mentioned
before, especially with middle school and high school, where not only
the data but one of the things I have asked many, many times is not
only with PCC but also with other institutions is the tracking,
tracking of the high schoolers, tracking of freshmens at the high
school, tracking of the seniors. I'm very interested in reference to
the pipeline data that you're going to be providing to us later on.
I do like the comment that was made by Mr. Arellano in reference
to looking backwards so we can look forward. I think we always have
to look at what's been done in the past and look at the best
practices, as well, too.
I know that's, as you mentioned, there has been a decline the
last decade, but I think it's about time that we need to turn that
around, as well, too.
With staff like you, faculty, and with the lead of Ms. Robles, I
think we can -- it's doable and can be done, but more important, as I
mentioned before, one of the areas that I will continue to say is
that we need to not only invite the students but also the parents,
but more important the community in reference to what can we all do
as a community?
Thank you.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Dr. Robles, one more question. Is there
any plans to actually have people do recruitment as far as, you know,
being at the schools? I know that Mr. Arellano goes out there with
the dual enrollment and he's done a great job, you know, considering
he's really increased the numbers. I want to thank him for his
efforts. He's done a great job. And he continues to strive to do
more.
But, you know, in my view, and I guess for most of us, of the
minorities, anyway, we always think in terms that the people will not
progress unless they get educated, and we need to reach out to them
more and we need to help them.
One of the things that I have heard is that our completion rates
at Pima, and I could be wrong, is 1 out of 10. I guess you could
clarify that for me.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Chancellor Lambert, do you want to address
the completion rate question?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So every year we publish student
right-to-know data, and you can go to our Pima website and pull up
the student right to know. It shows you what our success rates are
for students and which includes completion and transfer, I believe.
So we're better than, I would say, 1 in 10 when you look at both
of those together, because what happens is the number of our students
transfer out before they complete with us. Because we have a program
called AGEC, Arizona General Education, and so some students just
come and get that and then they transfer. That may not show up as a
completer. So I caution us in terms of how we look at that data and
that way. I believe we are probably right in there with some of the
other Arizona colleges.
Now, Arizona as a whole, we don't do as well as some of these
other states. But also, I will say part of that is resource
investment. Some of these other states make better commitment to
community colleges by providing the resources in which to provide the
programming and the support, et cetera.
So all of that comes into play. But with that said, we are
looking to sharpen what we are doing. You know, under the leadership
of our provost, Dr. Duran-Cerda, we are always trying to get better
at what we can do.
So you're going to see a greater attention to the data, greater
attention especially on the retention side, we have to do better
there.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Ripley?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Thank you for your presentation. One
thing I wanted to mention is the board had a retreat a few weeks ago,
and one of the things which we brain-stormed, which I think would be
a great idea to get together with you all in SEMP, to talk about the
concept of community outreach, big bang for the buck. You talk about
resources, Chancellor, it would be big bang for the buck to do what
we termed as either round tables or town halls in our districts as
well as one specifically geared towards all of the high school
counselors. And I have talked to a few counselors who would love
that, to all meet with us on your team, the board, whomever would be
interested to actually get from them, from the grassroots people,
what they feel would be needed to improve both recruitment,
enrollment, as well as retention. Thanks.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Robles, first I want to acknowledge
the incredible work your team is doing to collect this data and
really create a strategic initiative around this.
You know, I think for me, when you talk about the data trends, it
would be really helpful, and I know this information isn't readily
available or else you be would presenting it this evening, but what
actually is happening in the workforce because of the pandemic?
Every day I look at the newspaper and I see articles about businesses
struggling to find employees. I read articles about people making
huge shifts in their career.
There is going to be a tremendous -- there is recurring
tremendous change in incumbent workforce. People have made shifts to
different types of businesses. They are now working remotely. All
of these things are going to impact our enrollment, but I also think
that they offer a remarkable opportunity.
A lot of people, I mean, we know -- we received an e-mail from
leaders in the hospitality and culinary field saying how difficult it
is for them to get employees. They are struggling to get their
restaurants open full hours, and they have one restaurant closed in
our community because they don't have employees from that field.
So really understanding what is the economic and business climate
and then how can we pivot quickly to meet recurring demands. I think
that's going to be a real opportunity bubble for us, and getting that
data would be really helpful.
To Ms. Garcia's point, I think this idea of enrollment centers, I
would love to see us really explore models for mobile enrollment
centers where we can actually go to schools with the, you know, the
center, and get people enrolled. Every single barrier. We know
everything is a barrier. So what can we do to just continue to
eliminate those barriers?
Maybe it's not mobile centers. That might not work in our
community. It might actually be building a center. I don't know.
But I think really figuring out what are those continued barriers.
Finally, I would just ask in 2019 we spent a lot of money on
those one-time, on/off, referred to it as the faucet of initiatives
where we were pumping money into one-time actionable results. We
know not only did we lose all those students because of the pandemic,
but we still have an opportunity to go and find them, the people who
never enrolled, never engaged with the college, and get them
enrolled. They really otherwise that cohort is a lost generation
academically, that they are missing the opportunity.
So how can we see that as a potential to really grow because of
that sort of that delta of students who didn't enroll.
Those are things I would love to see moving forward. I'm just
putting it out there. Okay.
Dr. Hay, any comments from you? Dr. Hay?
Okay. I don't hear any. I still see her on the call so she's
with us. Okay.
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Sorry, no comments. I had to find my
button. No comment.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. Ms. Robles, I guess you have a
second question on the board. Is there any other comments from the
members of the board to that, as well?
Okay. I don't hear any. Thank you very much. We really
appreciate all the work, and we look forward to hearing, you know,
how we're going to actualize and put these into more aggressive
strategies.
>> DR. IRENE ROBLES-LOPEZ: Thank you all so much.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Next we have our reports by
representatives to the board. First is the staff report by Michael
Lopez.
Mr. Lopez, you have five minutes.
Mr. Lopez? Okay. We will move on to the administrative report
by Jeff Thies. Jeff, you have five minutes.
>> JEFF THIES: Thank you. Good evening, Chairperson Clinco,
board members, Chancellor Lambert, students, colleagues and guests.
Hope you're having a great Wednesday evening.
In the administrative representative report, I'm going to talk a
little bit about our humanities, social sciences, and education
division, shed a little bit of light on a few other projects
administrators are currently either actively completing or in the
process of completing, and then share a little bit of data at the
end.
Humanities, social sciences, and education. Anthropology faculty
Dr. Dianna Repp was honored this spring as the year's recipient of
the educational leadership in diversity and inclusion award. Dr.
Repp's nomination emphasized her work with the Native American
Student Association and the Arizona Undergraduate Research Symposium.
Congratulations, Dr. Repp.
Last week's Arizona Women in Higher Education conference,
Dr. Celeste Atkins was recognized by the organization with the
Emerging Leaders Award. She is a PCC adjunct faculty in sociology
and also serves as a faculty fellow for a Title III and TLC joint
project that provides professional development opportunities for
faculty in Applied Technology.
Political science student Nick Tran has been reaccepted in the
38th cohort of the Congress-Bundestag Youth Exchange for youth
professionals. The program provides young professionals ages 18 to
24 the opportunity to attend two months of German language training,
four months attending school, and five months gaining practical work
experience in Germany. Congratulations, Nick.
Highlighting the postdegree teacher certification program, as we
are all aware, there is a continuing shortage of teachers in the
State of Arizona. So it's critical that we have a program such as
our postdegree teacher certification program. The Arizona Department
of Education-approved K12 teacher certification program is top ranked
in the elementary area, is second ranked in the secondary program,
and is most effective in the special education program according to
the Arizona Department of Education.
The program consistently enrolls approximately 500-plus students.
350-plus are employed as full-time K12 teachers. 10% of the
enrollment is outside of our local area. This program is delivered
100% online, although there are face-to-face school site observations
during field experience and internships.
Our current graduation rate for this program is 58%. It is one
of the top producers of K12 teachers in Arizona. On average, about
100 new teachers each year. The program plays a critical role in
helping address the massive statewide teacher shortage with 93% of
our graduates being employed.
There is a significant number of certified teachers take program
coursework as professional development, as well. Great job,
postdegree teacher cert program.
Moving on to a few other projects. The college is working with
child/parent centers, Pima County government, United Way of Tucson
and Southern Arizona to bring the first of hopefully several new
childcare centers back to the campuses.
The first center will be at Desert Vista Campus with the goal to
open in spring 2022 if not sooner. Also, in 2022, the fall of, we
will be offering our first HyFlex-enabled classrooms. These
classrooms blend virtual, online, and in-person learning to use new
video, audio, and computer technology. By the completion of the
first phase of the project, there will be two rooms at each of the
main campuses, plus a classroom at each of the adult education and
technology centers. Future phases will be based on the demand by
students and faculty for the use of this technology. It's a great
leap forward in the ability to create interactive learning
environments.
Lastly, kudos to the registrar's office, financial aid office,
David Donderewicz, representatives from veterans and international
offices and others. It took a monumental effort to complete the
administrative processes required after temporarily adjusting the
college's incomplete and withdrawal policies for spring 2020, given
the pandemic's effects on that semester. The great effort of this
team minimized the negative impact on student success and supported
the completion agenda.
Lastly, I have shared several spring '21 equitable outcome
graphs. They show a longitudal list of success rates earning an A,
earning an A or B, earning an A or C, and then there is also a line
graph that is superimposed on top of the bar graph. Its axis is on
the far right. That's a representation of the enrollment of the
different subgroups of the student population.
With that, you'll see an equity gap. The equity gaps are all
based on a comparison with the White student population and the
enrollment drop.
One thing to add at the end, a guiding principles document that
came out from the Community College Research Center provides some
excellent information and a quick read on a summative list of
different programs throughout the country that have helped to improve
the credential attainment of the ethnicities that are highlighted in
the above tables.
That concludes my administrative report for June.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Thies.
We will go back to Mr. Lopez. Is Michael Lopez on the call?
>> MICHAEL LOPEZ: Yes.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: The floor is yours.
>> MICHAEL LOPEZ: There was not a written report submitted.
However, Staff Council officers met, and the voting for the new Staff
Council for '21/'22 will be finished and concluded here shortly. We
just need a couple more representatives to be identified in one or
two areas.
Also, staff officers wanted to thank the board and those
responsible for any recognition, financial recognition, to staff
members that may be made possible and the 2% increase as well.
However, as was stated earlier through the representatives for the
faculty that, you know, it's been a while, I think 2014 or so, so the
2% is very much appreciated but still falls short of what I think is
deserved.
But thank you very much, and that concludes my report.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Lopez. We
appreciate it.
Next we have our chancellor's report. Chancellor Lambert?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Good evening, everybody. So first of all, I
want to say congratulations to the students who just completed this
past academic year. Congratulations to the faculty, the staff, and
the administrators and the board for all of your support for their
success. We could not do it if we weren't working together to ensure
that we continue to graduate individuals.
Also, we have put in plans for re-entry. We are starting to
bring employees back to all of our locations.
We are doing it in a gradual way with the hope that by the time
we get to August when we open the doors again to the students and
community that more and more of us will be physically on-site, but
it's not going to be the way it used to be. So we recognize that
through the pandemic that there is a group of employees who could
work completely virtual. Then we also recognize there is a group of
employees that, because of the nature of the work, they need to be on
the ground, 40 hours a week, et cetera.
But most employees can be somewhere in the middle, and what I
mean by that, allowing more flexibility to work from home one or two
days a week. So that's kind of the model that you're going to see us
going into the new academic year to deploy, and then we will gauge
that and see what makes the most sense long term.
But I also recognize that we can do more of our work in a way
that doesn't always have to mean coming into the office, provided
that we continue to deliver the service and the support to our
students and that we are meeting their needs to their satisfaction.
So I just want you to be aware of that. Also, a group that just
doesn't get recognized very often and what folks don't realize, the
Executive Leadership Team puts in countless hours. They are not
40-hour-workweek employees. They are putting in 50 hours, 60,
sometimes 70 hours a week, and so they don't always get the
recognition. I just want to say thank you to all the Executive
Leadership Team.
It starts with that strategic part of the equation. Without the
planning and the thinking ahead, a lot of what, all the successes we
have enjoyed till now would not actually come to pass without that
strategic level piece. Obviously it's not enough to do that piece,
but without that piece, we are just wandering around in the forest.
So thank you, ELT.
Also, just the other day Dr. David Dor�, Dr. Ricardo Castro
Salazar, and Dr. Daisy Pitel Rodriguez and I participated in the
visitors program with El Salvador educators, and this is sponsored
through the United States State Department, and we had a very
engaging conversation with educators from El Salvador, and we will
look to see what type of partnerships might grow out of that
experience. Just like what you indicated, Demion, in terms of the
Brazil piece, these are all interconnected, and we want to thank Pat
Watson for her leadership in making sure that our citizen visitors
program stays very robust here in this community.
I want to congratulate the new student senators. We look forward
to working with you as we go through the year. I want to say
congratulations to Nina Corson. She will be the new campus VP for
East Campus, so congratulations, Nina.
And also, thank you, Board Member Ripley and Chair Clinco for
participating in Senator Kelly's visit. Just to let you all know,
one of the pieces we talked to the senator about was the JOBS Act and
making sure that all short-term programs, credit and noncredit, would
be eligible for Pell, especially credit side because the way the
current law was constructed, it was just going to be clock hour
programs of eight weeks or more.
Well, unfortunately, it did not make it through the senate. So
we're going to continue to push on this issue, and hopefully we can
move through the higher education labor and pension committee on the
senate side as part of that work.
I just want to clarify some things, because I think there is a
misunderstanding about the college's commitment to transfer
education. We are highly committed to transfer education since I
have been here. I will give you some examples.
PimaOnline is about transfer education. The Teaching and
Learning Center is about transfer education. Dual enrollment is
about transfer education. Guided pathways is about transfer
education. By the way, career technical already is a guided pathway.
We didn't have guided pathways on the transfer side.
Open educational resources, as the chair and Dr. Hay know, the
students came to the college and said we wanted to start a committee
to look at expanding open educational resources. A lot of that is
centered in the transfer side of the equation to make costs
affordable and make access to textbooks critical. We also created a
center of excellence for the arts. The intent was not to leave out
the arts and the humanities from the center of excellence
conversation.
I have also said to folks publicly we are open to creating other
centers of excellence. So I just had a conversation with Dean
Michael Parker, the provost, and others about creating a center of
excellence in the social sciences as an example of our commitment to
transfer education.
We have been building university partnerships. And then people
may not realize this, but the college just when I arrived early on we
had invested in building that brand new science building at the
Northwest Campus. By the way, that is state-of-the-art. In some
cases, and no offense to Dr. Hay and the University of Arizona, but
some of those labs are better than what they have at the University.
Now we are making another investment into the science -- I just
want to point out that we are not ignoring transfer. All of these
things are part of that commitment. We just can't look at them as
apples to apples, because the one thing that hasn't happened at the
college prior to my arrival was we were way underinvesting in the
workforce side. You have seen some of those programs.
I mean, they were jammed into small spaces. Things are just
crowded on top of each other. So that's why the big investment. But
that was all done as part of a master planning job. The master
planning work back in when we launched it in 2014, 2015, also focused
on the transfer side. It did not ignore the transfer piece.
It just seems that that gets overshadowed because a lot of the
conversation, not just internally, but externally in the community,
nationally, statewide, has been on workforce. As you pointed out,
Mr. Chair, that that's the conversation. Everybody is worried about
our ability to maintain our economy by having the skilled workers
that are necessary. So a lot of the conversation -- and people look
to the community college expressly for that area.
With that, that's my report. I hope everyone has a great summer.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Thank you very much, Mr. Chancellor.
At our board retreat we talked about streamlining items so we are
not going to read the information items any longer, and the consent
agenda is publicly posted. So if I could have a motion to approve
the consent agenda?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I move to approve.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Is there a second?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Second.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: All in favor of the motion signify by
saying aye?
(Ayes.)
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Anyone opposed? Hearing none, the consent
agenda passes unanimously.
Now we are on to our action items. The first is nomination and
election of a new Governing Board vice-chair. The currently serving
vice-chair and secretary, Meredith Hay, as indicated that due to
other commitments, she is concerned that she is not able to devote
sufficient time and duties of her board office, and as a result it
would be in the best interest of the college board to elect a
replacement.
So with that, I would nominate Catherine Ripley as the
vice-chair. Is there a second?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Second.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Is there any discussion?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Can we nominate somebody else?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Well, we have a nomination on the table,
so we would need to vote up or down that motion, and then if it was
voted no, we could elect someone else.
Correct, Mr. Silvyn?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Well, he could nominate. That way you know
what the choice is, and the other question would be whether
Ms. Ripley accepts the nomination.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I accept.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So if we had another nomination, then how
to we proceed with the vote?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: If you have another nomination, then you're
going to vote on --
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Each of the nominations? Okay.
Mr. Gonzales, is there another nomination?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: My question is going to be I know that the
last time we nominated we nominated several people. That's how it
was done when you got back on the -- when we voted for you.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Right. So currently Meredith, Dr. Hay,
she's stepping down from the role because of other time commitments.
It's just the one opening that is available.
So it's just the vice-chair role that we are voting on this
evening. This is not our normal election. It's just because of the
vacancy that's being caused because of her other commitments. So we
are only voting on the one seat.
It's only for the remainder of the term. It's not for a two-year
period. It's just until the general election, which would be in
January. It's to fill Meredith Hay's seat for the remainder of the
term, until January.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Okay.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay? Okay. So all in favor of the
motion? Any more discussion? Okay.
All in favor of the motion, signify by saying eye?
(Ayes.)
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Anyone opposed?
Ms. Garcia, I didn't hear yay or nay.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Abstain.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: You abstain. So the motion passes 4-0
with Ms. Garcia abstaining.
The next item is the Downtown Campus hotel/motel development.
Mr. Silvyn, could you read the recommendation?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: The chancellor recommends the Governing
Board authorize the chancellor or his designee to proceed with the
planning, design, and construction of the adaptive repurposing and
development of Downtown Campus hotel/motel properties.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Silvyn, I'd like to begin with making
a motion to approve the recommendation with the caveat that the back
half of the Tucson Inn be evaluated separately and considered in a
separate meeting whether or not we are going to make that investment
through a study assessment.
Is there a second?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Second.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Now we have discussion.
Ms. Ripley, you look like you have something to say, as does
Ms. Garcia.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I do, yes. So thank you very much,
everybody, who was involved in providing us a very thorough study of
what we might be able to do with the hotel properties.
There were several options that were submitted. There were five
options I believe that were specific. I think there is probably,
there could be hundreds, but they provided five that were solid
options, but I would like to propose that instead of approving one of
those or none of them en masse, another option. And that would be to
not en masse approve any of those but look at a part of it, a portion
of one of those options.
I would like to propose the front end of the Tucson Inn to
include the historic sign, which I understand we are getting
community input and funds for that, and also only one other piece,
and the rest of it we can do feasibility studies and decide at
another time. I don't think we need to decide all of it now.
The second piece I think that we could move to go forward with is
the Copper Cactus Inn, and as long as we agree to make it dedicated
towards social services, such as enrollment, diversity, equity, and
inclusion, and the immigrant center that we had talked about. So a
lot of these places are housed elsewhere and really need more room,
need more attention, and also, just a bigger space, a nicer space,
and a dedicated space dedicated towards social services.
So I would propose that in addition to looking at the possibility
of part of that, of the back end being parking space, which we do
actually need. I know this personally, because I taught at Downtown.
So I would just like to -- that's my discussion is to offer another
option.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay.
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman Clinco?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Hay?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Ms. Ripley, would that include the food
pantry?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Yes, that would definitely include a
food pantry. I think that's part of social services, as well. And I
think there was a lot of items that were talked about that could have
been included in a larger iteration of what was offered, but I think
anything that includes social services to include a food pantry I
think would really be, again, I like the term "big bang for the
buck."
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: If I can follow on?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Just for clarification, there are three
properties all together, so there are there is the Copper Cactus, the
Frontier, and the Tucson Inn. And so again, what we heard as part of
the study session was the need for a variety of functions and uses
that we have in this college. There is the -- in addition to all of
the social services, here is the list, there is also, if we could
move to the slide, there is also the Teaching and Learning Center,
so, you know, I would really go with this recommendation, this idea
which is proposed in the chancellor's recommendation of dealing with
all three of those properties, so the two smaller properties and then
the front of the Tucson Inn.
And then the back of the Tucson Inn, which is the most expensive
item, to really conduct a feasibility study to determine whether or
not there is a -- we have heard there is a potential use for the
United Way to create housing for at-risk students. That may or may
not be possible, so actually evaluating that.
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Hay?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: So I would really like to advocate for the
Teaching and Learning Center. I think we have a once-in-a-lifetime,
with post-COVID, a chance to rethink about how we deliver content,
and having a state-of-the-art facility on making sure our faculty and
our teachers are using the state-of-the-art pedagogy and the learning
center for making sure the students have access to everything they
need to be successful, as Dr. Dor� mentioned at the study session,
it's all about retention. Teaching and Learning Center is absolutely
essential to our vision and our mission and our pledge as a board to
ensure retention and success of our students. So I really want to
make sure that TLC, Teaching and Learning Center, is included in
this, if possible.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: So, yes, I'd add to that, as well.
Thank you, Dr. Hay. I may have misspoke. When I mentioned
enrollment, enrollment would go along with teaching and learning, so
I think a dedicated enrollment center, whether it's called a Teaching
and Learning Center, either way I think does deserve a dedicated
space.
I would just like to add, for the benefit of the audience, I had
an extensive session with our finance person to really understand
where this funding is coming from, because there is a lot of
attention being brought to everything as far as how we spend -- we
are nonprofit.
So one of the things that I understood was that this money would
come from reserves, and if we did a portion of it instead of
spending, you know, tens of millions of dollars, we could spend
between 10 and $13 million just on this piece so that we could at
least have dedicated space to social services and to the teaching and
learning/enrollment center, which to me is one of the most important
things we should focus on at this point.
We have already dedicated a lot of funding to centers of
excellence, to the automotive center and aviation center, which I
think is great, in the long term it's going to bring in more
students, but immediately I think if we are going to look at using
space, I think that this would be the best use of the money now, not
the entire hotel project.
I think we could take it piece by piece, look at it later. And
whether that might mean leveling the rest of it, making parking lots,
which again, we do need parking lots, I think at that point we can
decide at a later point, but for now this is what I would propose.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Chancellor Lambert?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes, if you don't mind, Mr. Chair, so I
wanted to put up here this graphic, because I think it really depicts
both what you were saying, Mr. Chair, what you were saying,
Ms. Ripley, and what Dr. Hay was talking about.
So essentially, I just want to clarify, right, we would move on
this plan right here, which is essentially option 3 with a
modification. The modification would be where you see new PCC
project, that's where we would come in and do that feasibility study
to determine should we do parking, should we even do hotel rooms
there. So that's what we would study.
Then that piece will just not be addressed at this point. So
when you look at those three properties as noted, the costs would be,
for construction, $8.3 million. Total cost of the project was
projected at 14,583-some dollars. And our plan is to fund that out
of the reserves.
So the first stage of this would be to hire an architect who will
come in and do the design work and the planning work, and that will
happen within, you know, the first year. Then the second year would
be the actual construction or renovation, adaptive reusing of that
property. We could wrap it all up within two years. While we are
doing that, we will do the feasibility study on that other project.
What's interesting about that piece, if you go to option 5, they
talk specifically where you see the new PCC project piece on the
visual, and that's where we could do the welcome center and a parking
structure.
So those would be things we would also assess. Now, keep in
mind, when we add that, say, that piece of the option 5, that's going
to add an additional expense to this project that we may need to
either go out for a bond or look at some other way to fund that
extension, other than if you just leveled it and made it a parking
lot.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Right, but again, that would be decided
later?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes, that would be later decided.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Because I was speaking to someone
earlier, not in this room, about a welcome center, and whether or not
it's appropriate to move that from Downtown to this space, I think,
that would be another discussion.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Exactly.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: But anyway, my point is I don't think
we need to approve this entire project. Indeed I spoke with Dr. Bea
about the funding coming out of reserves, which would not in fact
take away from -- it was very important to me that it didn't take
away from faculty and staff and any other type of stipends that we
might be offering later, and also that it would be a win-win for the
community, for us, and for everybody involved.
Also, one of the stipulations I would have, and I spoke with Dr.
Bea about this and I want to re-emphasize it, is that the commitment
and obligation to start and break ground and work on the healthcare,
Allied Health Center of Excellence, needs to take priority.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Because that's already been approved,
so I would like to propose that to the board, that that takes
priority actually before we do this.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: In fact, you just approved the architect
tonight, so that will start the Allied Health piece. This will lag
behind that, because we need to go through a process to identify an
architectural firm who will work on it.
So it will lag. However, this is a smaller project, so when you
start getting into it, it could get done quicker than the Allied
Health just because of the size piece.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Just for clarification, so Ms. Ripley, so
this option 3 with the modification that the back be removed and
assessed separately on the culinary arts program, that is acceptable
to you? And it would be capped at $14 million?
We would have no -- what is the number, Chancellor Lambert?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: So the all-in cost based on what was
presented on Monday night was $14,583,865.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: For my idea? For this?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: This would be for all three.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: All three minus --
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Minus the back --
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Okay. That would be essentially what I
was just saying?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Correct.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: Okay.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: But that's not including all the additional
costs. That's just basic. Because I believe that in the
presentation they said there were certain areas that were not -- the
cost was not presented. Is that not right? Like some of the
architects, some of the renovation? The equipment, the furnishings,
all those things were not included.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Will you pull up option 3?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I believe what they were talking about was
buildings that have been just not -- they haven't really assessed
them or they are concepts of what buildings could be. So if you look
at the --
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Here we go right here. Those are the other
costs that are included in that 14 million. The escalation costs,
the architect fees, other development, and then you have the --
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: The permits?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes, all of that is included.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: If you move to the next slide, this was
what we really don't have actual genuine budget numbers. And the
next slide, where they are proposing these very large buildings that
could be built at a future date. So you can see there is like a
-- and they even told us is actually low. They couldn't do for this
price because --
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: In fact, we got an update on option 5,
actual cost would be around 26 million for construction.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So that's not what's being --
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: No, that's why we are not moving forward.
If you added in, say, a welcome center, like, and a parking
structure, which would be akin to the option 5, on top of the 14
million, all in, based on what you were talking about, Board Member
Ripley, that would add an additional, let's see here, $17,700,000 for
just those two pieces, the parking structure and the welcome center
construction cost.
But if you add all in, that's an additional, that will be
$29,000,329. You can see how the cost goes up significantly just to
add those two pieces in.
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman Clinco?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Hay, Ms. Garcia has been waiting
patiently and then we will come to you. Then I'm sure, Mr. Gonzales,
you have something to add? Yes.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: So in my view, I have already stated that I
think preservation, historical preservation is important, but I don't
believe, and I will not accept that the college should be paying for
that and that we should be part of that.
There should be other funding sources, should come from the city
government or the county or maybe a foundation, but the college money
should not be spent on those items.
So the renovation of the hotels for me is not an option, okay.
The other part of it, the other reasons that I oppose it, I mean, I'm
okay with the Tucson Inn. You know, if it's going to be a culinary,
I think the architect, historically, is nice, but the building
itself, what you guys are proposing, the space, looking at the space,
even for a pantry, even for counseling, even for a teaching center,
I'm sorry, it is not adequate. It is not adequate.
I have had meetings. I know how those things work. You're not
talking about 1 to 1. You're talking about maybe, I don't know, the
provost could probably say how many people would be in a meeting.
But it's just not good space utilization. In my view, I could not
approve such a project.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Okay. Mr. Gonzales? Excuse me, Dr. Hay?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: I fully support Board Member Ripley's
suggestion about really focusing on the social services and the
Teaching and Learning Center and phasing this in in a way we don't
commit to the whole thing, the whole pie at once. I think her plan
and her approach is very sober and really focuses on the student
needs and the immediate outcomes without too much cost. I'm fully
supportive of her proposal.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Gonzales and then Ms. Ripley.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: $18 million is a lot of money, as well,
too. But we need to decide as we are looking at maybe possibly
option 3. One of the things that I also will support Ms. Garcia in
reference to the renovation, preservation of the hotels, I don't
think it's worth it. I did mention the last time I think if we are
going to build something, would have to be new construction. I'm a
firm believer of that because it should be.
As I mentioned the last time, I think it's great that we are
trying to preserve, as mentioned a while ago, the signs. I think
it's historical. And as I mentioned the last time, for example, the
town of Maricopa also have an area in reference to what they're
renovating in reference to the signs, as well, too.
Earlier there was, one of our audience mentioned honor the past,
and one of the things I want to mention is the word "honor." I know
back in the initial buying of the properties, it was basically bought
in reference to the land, correct?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Silvyn, could you provide some insight
into how we purchased these properties?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Well, the driving, the primary goal was that
there was a long-time conception that the Downtown Campus would
encompass that entire block, essentially. So when these properties
became available, there was a discussion about whether to continue
with that vision or not, and so the decision was, yes, this was an
opportunity to consolidate and increase the footprint of Downtown
Campus. So the board took the opportunity to do that.
I mean, this is a different board than the one that purchased it,
and it's up to this board to decide what to do with those properties.
That's the decision before you, but the real intent at the time was
we had an opportunity to consolidate or rather expand the footprint
of the Downtown Campus.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: And the reason I'm bringing it forward is,
as you are all aware, we all got an e-mail in reference to the
realtor, in reference to -- and then coming back to the word that it
was mentioned back then. It was when Pima Community College did buy
it, it was in reference to the dirt, the property, but more
importantly the word of being a parking lot as well too back then.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I will say, Mr. Gonzales, just as a point
of clarification, when the board made the decision, I myself said I'd
like to see adaptive reuse options for these properties and how we
could integrate a programmattic approach that aligns with all of the
community priorities.
I read that letter too. The board never met with that person. I
don't know who that is. That was somebody who was involved in the
agreement. I'm not sure who they represented or what their
relationship was in the agreement, so I can't speak to that.
I saw the letter. I forwarded it on to the chancellor. But, you
know, what I heard tonight from community members and people who have
been involved in planning of this area for many, many years is just
how important integrating all of these different things together are.
You know, so maybe, Jeff, if you want to, Mr. Silvyn, I don't
know if there is anything to say about that letter.
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Well, the letter is from Mike Gross who was
the broker involved at the time. I actually had a conversation with
them about that letter, and most of it is his personal opinion. It's
not related to the purchase.
He does have a recollection about his belief about what was
intended at the time, but I guess what I'm saying is it's not really
relevant. Because, A, the board didn't make any particular
commitment to the use of that property. Even if they did, they
didn't pass a resolution. The board did not take any collective
action as to what would be done with that property. That's the
decision of this board. So even to the extent there was a
conversation about some concepts at the time, it's not binding in any
way on this board.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Thank you, Mr. Silvyn.
In the letter, he does mention he saw our study session meeting
as well. That's what opted him to generate that information and
share it with the rest of the board.
Lastly, I just want to end that coming back to the hotels, Cactus
and what's the middle one? The Frontier. I don't see it for us or
Pima College, in my opinion, to renovate those. I do believe that's
a new construction, whatever we are going to be doing, I think is
more feasible, cost-efficient, cost-effective.
With that, in reference to preservation and renovation, I would
like to ask you, Mr. Clinco, to recuse yourself in reference to
taking a vote on this, in participating, to avoid any conflict of
interest, because you are one of the individuals that is very active
in reference to preservation and renovation stuff, as well, too.
Correct me if I'm wrong. You have always -- you have some hands also
with what's there, as well, too.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So, Mr. Gonzales --
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Point of order, Mr. Clinco?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Dr. Hay?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. I
don't see any conflict of interest. It's like saying I'm interested
in education, in higher education, and therefore I shouldn't vote on
anything on education.
I don't see any conflict of interest with Chairman Clinco's -- he
has an interest in preservation, sure, but he has no, has zero
conflict of interest in this. And I have zero conflict of interest
in advancing education. That's a ridiculous statement, and I don't
agree with that.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: It might be a ridiculous statement, but as
you mentioned, you said you have no activity and nothing in reference
to this, and I'll take your word. That's one of the things that we
all have to ask. The word means a lot.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Mr. Gonzales, I can tell you, and we can
have Mr. Silvyn discuss it, so your predecessor brought this issue
up. We hired outside counsel and had it looked into, because I was
concerned that there would even be the impression of a conflict of
interest, because I have no financial primary, secondary, or frankly
even tertiary relationship with any of the properties and decisions
of the college.
Expertise is not a conflict. It would be like if every time you
advocated for the Pascua Yaqui community and resources being
advocated or assigned to that community that I would say you have a
conflict because of your relationship with that governing body.
We had it addressed. It's not a conflict, and I don't see
recusing myself of my fiduciary responsibility to this institution as
the right thing to do.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Okay. It's not a governing body. It's my
constituency. Everybody that lives on the reservation that's 18 and
over and within my district, those are my constituents, constituency.
In reference to with the Pascua Yaqui tribe, the administration
and government, that's different. I have always -- in fact, I
invited Mr. Lambert and also, as I mentioned before, I want to be
included when both boards meet, as well, too.
But in reference to working with the community or advocating for
students and the parents and the students, those are our
constituents. Middle school kids, they are my constituents. As we
all know, anybody that lives in that property and they have interest
in reference to school, right now, as mentioned earlier, the K12
program, those are potential PCC students, as well, too.
But they are all my constituents. So don't mix up the government
with my district.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Again, I'm not trying to diminish in any
way --
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Well, that's --
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I'm saying we will all have different
types of expertise.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Exactly. And that's how I received it.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I apologize if --
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: I know what the gray area is, as well,
too. As I mentioned before, as I mentioned before, like I mentioned
working with administration, that's different. I would not represent
myself or advocate for -- I let them do what they need to be doing,
but they need to work with not myself but with the staff and faculty
and the administration here.
But when you mention the kids and broadly reference to Pascua
Yaqui, Pascua Yaqui, I take it as all tribal members. And
administration is different.
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Chairman Clinco, are you in any way
involved in any of the decisions involving the historic preservation
of the property?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: No. I have no financial -- only on this
body. I mean, this is it.
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Right.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I have no financial --
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: But there are no decisions about what's
historical, what's not -- you're not involved with any of that,
right?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: No.
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Okay. So it's a mute point.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Again, there was a report that was done,
you can get a copy from Jeff, the assessment that was done. I don't
have any legal conflict.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Good to know.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: You don't have anything to do with any of
the properties adjacent to that either; is that correct?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: I don't own or have any relationship with
any property within I think probably a mile and a half radius. I
want to be careful, because I do live a little bit south of downtown,
so probably within a mile and a half radius of the campus.
I don't have any financial interest in any properties in a
primary, secondary or even tertiary way. I don't have any personal
investment. But I do care about the alignment of our community's
priorities in the same way that we all care about different things,
and that expertise is something that I have certainly shared and I
hope to bring to this -- I actually think adaptive reuse is a really
incredible model, because we don't tear buildings down, don't take
them to the dump, we are able to find a viable dynamic use which
aligns with our institutional priorities.
To me, that's a synergy of a positive impact, because we are
doing multiple things at once and we are addressing some of the most
critical needs of the college. The center of teaching and learning,
immigrant and refugee center, the food pantries, all of these
programs are programs we have articulated over and over again our key
priorities for the institution.
So finding a good marriage to me is something that we should be
excited about and promoting. I understand that that's not how
everyone feels.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: For me, those things are very important to
me too and I believe to all of us, but in my view, those buildings do
not provide the type of space that would be required and to renovate
them. Maybe they need to be relocated. The bungalows on Broadway
are beautiful. They look very nice. I'm not diminishing the
aesthetics and what it is. It's just that is the college the place
to do it?
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So I think we should probably conclude the
conversation? Ms. Ripley?
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: I just want to bring it back in, let's
bring it back in, because again, my initial proposal was the Tucson
Inn and part of the Cactus Inn for the reasons that we stated, for
social services, for diversity, equity, inclusion, for the pantry,
for immigration center, all of those things.
I think when we had this meeting, the study session, the word
that Dr. Dor� presented, which rung a bell with me, is
"consolidation." Because all of those things are scattered
throughout five campuses. I think having it consolidated somewhere
is really important.
Now, "adaptive reuse" is the key word. It's not turning these
back into hotels. It's a reusing them adaptively and adapting them
to our needs. So the inside of it would probably, I'm guessing,
would be gutted and it would be, we can make it work as far as the
inside of the structure.
So maintaining the integrity of the hotels isn't as important as
adapting it for our use. I mean, to me, in my eyes, the only thing,
only remnant of those hotels will be the sign, the Tucson Inn sign,
and everything else will adapt to our own use.
That's why I presented a hybrid and minimal dedication of
resources. If we're going to spend that money anyway on
consolidating, this is a win-win I feel for the community, and I
think it would be not just the cool factor but it's also keeping in
mind that we wanted that entire square footage of property to make
the Downtown Campus "the" hub for Pima Community College, which I
think was a long-term strategic plan that I understood it as making,
you know, downtown, this is where it's at, there is public
transportation, it's more accessible. And accessibility and
affordability are the two things that we, as a community college,
need to really put our money where our mouth is.
That's all I'm going to say about that. Thanks.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I'll be short. I think adaptive -- maybe I
misunderstood the word "adaptive." If adaptive is changing it
somehow, keeping some of the integrity of what it looks like but
changing it so that it is adaptable and makes room for what is
needed, I'm okay with that, but I need to see the plan.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So again, that was I think all of the
architectural study that has been done -- again, I would not be
promoting and advancing something if it didn't have a functional use
for the college. I take my fiduciary responsibility very serious.
We did all of these studies, all of the architectural studies
that were done to look at how and whether they were viable for those
types of uses. What we found out is that they were, they were
cheaper than new construction, there was potentially federal tax
credits or other money that Dr. Bea talked about and that they could
serve these functions in a way that made sense.
So, I mean, that's what was presented. And so, again, it's not
keeping a motel that's going to be serving as a motel. It's how does
it actually function. So what I heard was spaces were going to be
enclosed, car ports were going to be enclosed, there was going to be
indoor/outdoor spaces, gardens, and suddenly outdoor teaching
opportunities. There was a whole slew of things while creating this
edge of our campus that actually faces outward.
I mean, one of the things about the Downtown Campus is it's
always been facing inward, always sort of turned its back on the
community even though it is in the center of the community. I think
this is a really wonderful way to sort of turn that and create
something that is also in scale, really relevant for a number of the
constituencies and programs that are talking about moving in.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: You know, I like Cat's plan, but I'd like
to see more information if you guys are okay with that.
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: When we hire the architect, and they do the
design work, then that's when we'll be able to see much more detail
and so forth. So we would be keeping you obviously apprised of all
that progress. Then we have to hire a contractor and then the board
would have to approve that as part of the process. So all of that
will come through this board.
>> MS. CATHERINE RIPLEY: One more thing. Sorry. I know we are
running out of time. I think just also to look at the bigger
picture, I have traveled all over the world, and part of what I see
when I go into a new town is the charm. If I'm going into a new town
where there is a bunch of Motel 6s and Ramada Inns, sorry, I don't
want to name drop too many, and it can be any town in the world, then
I'm not interested.
But when I see the charm of Broadway, Congress, the Rialto, the
Fox, the charm of downtown that they have done a great job, I was
here 25 years ago and it looks different, so I think this is also an
opportunity for us to be, to play a bigger role in Tucson, and to
really, you know, present ourselves.
Again, I think it's a win-win. I think adaptive reuse to social
services and particularly to enrollment, teaching, learning, and,
yeah, we will keep the sign because it's cool and it's also honoring
our history. I just wanted to put that out there. Thanks.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Before we vote, just to clarify what we
are voting on, it's option 3, not to exceed 14.5 --
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Mr. Chair, can I say it this way? Option 3
with the modification to conduct a feasibility study related to the
south-end building of the Tucson Inn for either parking and/or hotel
housing use, and consideration will be also looked at in terms of a
parking structure. I will use welcome center, but that can be
loosely set.
That would be the motion. Then it would stay within the cost
range of $8.3 million to 14,583,865.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: So that I believe is the intent of the
motion?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Yes.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: And that's okay with the seconder, just
for clarification, Dr. Hay?
>> DR. MEREDITH HAY: Yes.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: That is the motion on the table. We are
going to have a vote. All in favor of the motion, signify by saying
aye.
(Ayes.)
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: The motion passes 3-2 with Ms. Garcia and
Mr. Gonzales abstaining.
Request for future agenda items? We heard about potentially a
study session to talk about the issues that you have raised, and we
are going to be talking about those I would assume anyway as that
project comes forward.
Are there any other future agenda items?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: It's not an agenda item, but maybe
Mr. Lambert can ask -- I have been getting calls from the community
in reference to utilizing the parks or the fields, I guess. When can
we do that? Or are they open already?
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: I will follow up on that, because we have,
you know, been trying to not open up the college too much yet, but as
we are moving through this transition to being able to open up, let
me find out when we will be opening that up to the community, okay?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Okay.
The agenda item that I want to share, and Ms. Ripley mentioned it
briefly, but I think we need to really go back to the community,
either having round tables, to be in touch. Now that we're exiting
this gray cloud, I think it's an opportunity to see the light and
show the light to the people in reference to how better yet to meet
with the people, but also provide them the information and the
knowledge as what Pima has to offer to them, as well, too.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: What if we say it like this: Chancellor
Lambert, if you could come back at our next regularly scheduled
meeting, not the special meeting that we might have, but the regular
meeting, and present a public engagement plan for the board that we
can actualize and go out as board members and really try to be the
leaders, engaged with the college leadership to actually reach out to
those constituencies? Does that sound like that would work? That
type of plan?
Rather than just having another study session where we hear a lot
of information, actually a plan? Does that, Chancellor Lambert, is
that --
>> DR. LEE LAMBERT: Absolutely, we will do that.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: It will be on the agenda, but it will be a
plan we will actualize and all commit to. Yes?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: When are we going to get the information on
the lawyer for the bylaws?
>> MR. JEFF SILVYN: Andrea and I will work on setting, seeing
what some options for dates are for a different topic we had talked
about, possibly a couple of dates, last week of June. We will see if
one of those might work.
>> MR. DEMION CLINCO: Does that sound good to everybody? Okay.
Hearing no other agenda items, we are adjourned. Thank you all
very much.
(Adjournment.)
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